Role of the state
Roberto Cabot : Brazil has recently experienced violent protest movements, particularly so in Rio de Janeiro. These protests are rooted in the issue of urban mobility. People aren’t protesting about housing issues anymore—we have moved on to something else: how should I go from home to work, to go and enjoy myself, to visit my parents or my friends. What is the solution to the issue of mobility in Rio de Janeiro, with all this fragmentation you mention?
Washington Fajardo : The city has made some planning investments in this regard. Its territorial integration plan dates back to 1965—emphasis was on the roads but this plan has since changed and the BRT (Bus Rapid Transit) system, which is its most recent outcome, has been operational for the past two years. Today, eighteen percent of the population is using this high-capacity transportation system and this figure is going to reach sixty percent.
I would like to draw attention to an aspect I find important and which is, for that matter, rarely discussed: the role of government in the city. These social movements and protests are the direct result of the inefficient management of Brazil’s urban territory, which is linked to the redefinition of the state during these past two decades. Political structures and territorial organization have indeed been carried out according to the principle of the minimal state, due to longstanding public opinion on the state’s inefficiency, but there can be no urban planning without government. Indeed, the free market will never assume responsibility for this function because the organization of the common good necessarily comes under the purview of the state, which generates its own planning. But although the Brazilian government is still interested in sectoral issues and in the social and economic agendas, since the 1970s it has abandoned territorial programs of metropolitan planning.
In Rio de Janeiro’s case, this question has been completely set aside. The mayor of Niterói recently called the mayor of Rio to ask him to postpone the demolition of the “Perimetral” by one weekend. This phone call from one mayor to another in the Guanabara Bay represents the first urban planning meeting in thirty years. Structural issues have been abandoned because we have focused on finding solutions to economic and social issues, the solution to the other problems of the city supposedly following suit. This was a big mistake. In reality, from the point of view of urban affairs, the issue of the state’s presence and of urban planning need to be urgently revised. In my experience of the public sector, as planning practices were gradually set aside, the planning mindset also started to disappear. Government bodies which carry out planning end up being weakened, not because of the people in place, but because of this kind of free market thinking. Nevertheless, at the end of the day, although the organization of transport can indeed be conceded to private operators, its planning can only be carried out by the government.
Roberto Cabot: Is the issue of public-private partnerships essential now that they have become one of the key practices of Rio’s urban policy?
Washington Fajardo: This is indeed the case due to the end of the welfare state, which also had an urban dimension. I consider that public-private partnerships are an excellent solution to give effect to decisions which were generated by public planning, even though the latter clearly remains a responsibility of the state. I insist on the fact that these partnerships and this model are good things, even though they were created by Thatcher’s government. They been adopted in different countries, in Scandinavia for instance, but if the government doesn’t know what it wants and doesn’t hold its operators accountable, this type of contract will always tend to failure.
Roberto Cabot: Rio has a long history and some very “heavy” heritage. How can our city balance the need for growth and renewal with that of preserving its heritage and its leisure industry?
Washington Fajardo: I appreciate the fact that you talk about the “weight” of this heritage because it is interesting to think about its materiality and its density, which relates to the two very different historical epochs of Rio—that of the city as Brazil’s capital and that of the city as a simple municipality. Rio is 450 years old but it has only existed as a municipality since 1975, which is why I say that Rio is now an adolescent city, which is still learning to know itself.
Rio had no autonomy—its function was to envision the country’s progress. The urban space itself was conceived and projected as lessons, as models destined to be adopted by other Brazilian cities. It was the city-as-a-standard, but after 1975 it had to become autonomous and to manage its problems by itself—a complete novelty in more than four centuries of existence.
The city’s heritage institute, which I’m in charge of, became active in 1984 during the period of redemocratization. It was created due to the opposition to a project of a north-south avenue which would rip apart the Saara neighborhood and tear down the Real Gabinete Português de Leitura. Civil society reacted, which led to repercussions on the way the studies were carried out by municipal technicians. That is how the “cultural corridor” was born. Since that time this corridor has acquired some political legitimacy and has become the focal point of collective interests. It now conveys other values than that of federal heritage, i.e., the value of the urban ensemble, of public space and eclecticism, which were neglected by the heritage authorities up to that point.